tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post1166666552814342207..comments2023-06-14T04:58:41.133-04:00Comments on Intellectual Carpet Bombing: Garbo - I'm Looking At You Hereebl2009http://www.blogger.com/profile/04934119980855539269noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-8531624827561388772008-03-31T00:48:00.000-04:002008-03-31T00:48:00.000-04:00BTW, i just reread Garbo's original response, in w...BTW, i just reread Garbo's original response, in which he said that "This does not require him to leave his church."<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying it requires it, the problem is OBAMA has now said that. You're using the first explanation that I mentioned in my post to explain the Wright/Obama controversy, that what Wright said wasn't too extreme, it doesnt merit Obama leaving the church. Fine. That's a valid opinion. But it contradicts what Obama has said. You're choosing one of the two explanations for excusing their relationship, that doesn't explain how Obama can use both of them and not be contradicting himself.Langhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16684574431077521663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-52933901351364889492008-03-29T14:45:00.000-04:002008-03-29T14:45:00.000-04:00You are both right. They are different relation...You are both right. They <I> are </I> different relationships, but you are both wrong that these both don't represent views that must be associated with the candidates. <BR/><BR/>Courting an endorsement is pretty much exactly that. I am not sure how long you have to attend something before its views are deemed to be associated with you, but it is definitely before twenty years.hot zonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876103488828330656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-31429782795335613232008-03-29T10:25:00.000-04:002008-03-29T10:25:00.000-04:00You're right, actively seeking an endorsement is f...You're right, actively seeking an endorsement is far different than a primarily non-political relationship. in which neither side sought to endorse the views of the other.<BR/><BR/>McCain <I>wanted</I> (and presumably wants) Hagee's views to be associated with his campaign, though Obama clearly does not want Wright's.Garbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01227982772790196361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-58070904123374679632008-03-29T03:56:00.000-04:002008-03-29T03:56:00.000-04:00I disaprove of McCain courting Hagee, but at the s...I disaprove of McCain courting Hagee, but at the same time, courting someone and asking for their support is not the same as attending the church that an individual leads for decades.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that Hagee is better in any way than Wright, but McCain's relationship with Hagee is not really analogous to Obama's relationship with Wright.Langhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16684574431077521663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-47686143236640325112008-03-29T01:00:00.000-04:002008-03-29T01:00:00.000-04:00Just to clarify, I disapprove of McCain courting t...Just to clarify, I disapprove of McCain courting the religious loon vote too. McCain actively courted Hagee and very few people in the media cared.<BR/><BR/>I tolerate opinions that I disagree with but I don't have to approve of their endorsements or associations.hot zonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876103488828330656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-622701472072173242008-03-28T20:29:00.000-04:002008-03-28T20:29:00.000-04:00I had had a long comment discussing the need for c...I had had a long comment discussing the need for coverage of McCain's active pursuit of right-wing religious endorsement and the need for tolerance of opinions with which we disagree and so on and so forth.<BR/><BR/>Except that Google decided not to post it. It has now made the list.Garbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01227982772790196361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-19422372139406113742008-03-28T18:57:00.000-04:002008-03-28T18:57:00.000-04:00That is a lot of weasel words there in one sentenc...That is a lot of weasel words there in one sentence. Hypothetically and could have been. There is no proof that Obama registered any disagreement beforehand. What we do know for sure is that there many things were said that are totally unacceptable. <BR/><BR/>I don't think most people think Obama agrees with everything Rev. Wright does. They are simply concerned that the man did not have the good judgment to leave or fight these statements publicly. Were there no other churches in Chicago? I understand that it is hard to move on from a mentor instead he originally invited him to lead an invocation at his presidential announcement.hot zonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876103488828330656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-934395272727224504.post-56072677094631061182008-03-28T17:43:00.000-04:002008-03-28T17:43:00.000-04:00Church membership and total agreement with the cle...Church membership and total agreement with the clerical leadership of that church are not the same thing. I do not see why it cannot be both. Hypothetically, most of what Wright said or preached could have been acceptable, justified, and wholly within the mainstream, but some of his sermons were not. Just because Obama did not publicly denounce the Reverend does not mean that he did not register his disagreement with him. This does not require him to leave his church.Garbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01227982772790196361noreply@blogger.com